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Ft. Hood Shooting, Terrorism? Or somebody who short circuted and went ballistic?

Paul
Posted Nov 6, 2009 3:40 PM
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Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the man authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S. military base. (Fox News) (Fox conveniently left out "Major" before his name)

The mob is already out with pitchforks ready to lynch again. All last night and today, Islamophobia is running rampant on the station that advertises its all about being "fair and balanced". I love listening to the responses on Fox News AM 1200 also known as crybaby, hate radio. (Personal note, I cannot stand crybabies, and this radio station promotes the essence of that.)

Mark Steyn (prominent Islamophobe and author of Mein Campf’s son “America Alone”) replaced Rush Limbaugh today and is already speculating that one of the reasons Major Hasan was counseled by the Army was because of patient complaints that he was trying to convert his patients to Islam.

Ok, so let's assume this is true...what about all the Christians in the armed services who are constantly trying to recruit, harass, bully, discriminate all in the name of Jesus? They get away with it, and not only that, it's behavior that's fostered in parts of our military. The reports are plentiful enough.

Addicott the Director of the Center for Terrorism Law at St. Mary's, is already alluding to the act being of a radical Islamic nature, and a terrorist act at that.

Really?

We don't have all the facts in, but yet we've made all the conclusions?

I just love these verbal athletes who; jump to conclusions, rush to judgment with incredible leaps of faith.

Let's say it was an act of terrorism as Addicott alludes. I'm more than ok with that. Are we equally condemning Timothy McVeigh and his handiwork in OK City? How about the recent shootings, harassment, threats and intimidation around the U.S. from right-wing, Neo-Nazis?

What about all the other atrocities we hear about on a monthly basis where a fundamentalist shoots em' up in a church, McDonalds, their old employer, school yard etc?

What about the child abductions where in the name of God these people steal little kids, rape them, kill etc?

When a guy walks into a church and shoots the people inside because he says they’re too liberal, and against God, are Addicott, Steyn, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck going to equally condemn that as a terrorist act? It’s certainly a religious, and a political atrocity done in public. We’ll let’s just assume they probably won’t. After all, it’s just the extremists Christians who do these things right? So go back to sleep.

Sounds like business as usual for the religious.

I want to see loud and public condemnations from people in their own religions for those who commit these acts.

It shouldn't take a Muslim to call out a Jewish settler, or a Christian to call out Muslim.

I want to see Jews calling out Jews, Muslims calling out Muslims, Christians calling out Christians, Sikhs calling out Sikhs, Buddhists calling out Buddhists. etc etc.

We know they won't, and we know why.

Meanwhile, I’ll just go back to my amoralistic way of life. Afterall without God anything is permissible right?

More like with God, everything is permissible, and in his name, it’s mandated.

Dave
Posted Nov 6, 2009 6:39 PM
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I wish media (and other judgmental types) would wait for the facts to emerge, but with sensationalistic journalism rampant in the media and a hungry mob waiting to eat it up. I expect all of that, and sadly, I knew the minute that his name was announced, speculation about his motives would immediately shift to his religion. However, thankfully he wasn't an atheist. I may be cynical, but I think that would have been worse in the eyes of the standard "god fearing" American public.
A former member
Posted Nov 6, 2009 7:04 PM
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I keep trying to have an objective attitude about Addicott since my journalism professor practically demanded I do so.

That's hard to do with all of his (Addicott's) yapping. angry
Erik Brower
Posted Nov 7, 2009 1:05 PM
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and if its a terrosist act then pretty much every muslim in this country is screwed. if he went off the deep end then maybe it'll turn into a rallying cry for the atrocities of war. when the shrink cant keep himself together then you have to start looking at the deeper problem
Paul
Posted Nov 8, 2009 3:39 PM
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Here's Addicott on radio:

http://podcast.1170kf...

Listen to what he says and form your own opinion.

I think he's using bad criteria to say it's a terrorist incident.

Let's wait and see first. Again, I'm more than ok to call it terrorist if it is. If it's not, then let's not just fly off the handle in a rush to call somebody a terrorist.

I wonder if he thinks we need to take out of the military, radical ideologues who are Christian. He says we need to take out of the military those people who are radical ideologues.

Erik Brower
Posted Nov 8, 2009 5:06 PM
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Well, I think, becasue, as Bill Maher likes to say, terrrorism is a tactic, and usually linked to religious ideology, that you could certaintly call this a terrorist attack. But I think its a much grayer area than that. You have a guy that so far from what ive read, was extremely conflicted. His cousin said that he was asking him questions on the justification of being part of something that called for killing people of his own faith. even though,as his cousin pointed out, that happens everyday in the middle east. I don't think he had any direct ties to terrorist cells or anything like that. this seems to be similar, at least from a psycological stand point, to the OK city bombing with shades of Columbine mixed in. Someone who was against the govt because of their actions and took the only course of action they thought they had to make a statement. so, was it religiously driven- yeah probably. but im still not really sure i'd call it an act of terrorism. But it does sound like the military mishandled this guy very badly.
A former member
Posted Nov 8, 2009 9:36 PM
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Addicott is extreme, but he does offer a much-needed balance. Perhaps I would prefer a different fruit loop from the right-wing to fill his shoes and offer that balance, but at least he tips the scales away from the extreme liberal side. I'm a liberal, but I still say that if extreme liberals ran the world all by themselves with no conservatives to say "hey, wait a minute," oh boy, we would be in trouble. shock
Matt
Posted Nov 9, 2009 10:34 AM
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Alleged shooter's name prompts response from Council on American-Islamic Relations

The CAIR statement said: "No political or religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence. The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer Army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured."

Paul
Posted Nov 10, 2009 5:18 PM
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Thanks Matt. I'm glad somebody proved me otherwise on the issue of condemnation.

Was the violence indiscriminate? Do they justify discriminate violence? ;-)
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